Tuesday, December 31, 2013

Post #40 "Desire-Choice-Energy-Creation"

The desire to become God is a primal urge. The desire to become God grew the energy of the void, the Great No-thing. The choice to become God ignited in the void. The desire to becoming God was the energy that set off the so-called, Big Bang. The choice to become God continues to be made in our Time and in our Place. By choosing to become God or not to become God, Consciousness chooses between Reality and Non-reality. Because Choice, collectively and individually, brings about the first beat of Time; Choice precedes Time. Choice is unaffected by Time. The Choice to be God, to be Perfect as God, possessing God's Power, is a choice made from outside the confines of creation, for non-reality creates and has created itself, knowing creation has no existence beyond and outside itself. As Creation is movement, from a beginning to an end, creative existence is movement within non-existence. Non-reality, as image, knows on the deepest level of Truth, that it itself is image and consequently has no real power, but only power within itself as image on multi levels of imaging. As image strives to perpetuate itself, unable to become Reality, it is unable to stop the breakdown, through division, into smaller and smaller pieces. Image is witness to its own destruction; consequently its main thrust seeks the power to sustain itself.

Monday, December 30, 2013

Post #39 "The Transference"

It's no wonder there has been over four centuries of hostility and outright war between religion and science-between Faith and Reason. In order for the transference of humanity into God (mythologized by the biblical accounts of the transference of the Archangel Lucifer into God or the transference of Adam into God to take place), God must be done away with. God cannot exist for this transference to take place, for, as noted, there can only be one god to be God, the assumption being, of course, that God is entity. Entity cannot destroy itself or be destroyed. Consequently Entity does not and cannot reproduce itself for that which reproduces must be self-destructive to reproduce itself.

The gods of mythology are only images competing for the reality of the ultimate 'Oneness'. Non-reality can occur only when and where 'God' does not exist. But when and where does this 'God' not exist? How can this 'God' be done away with? Just what needs to be done away with.....God or Reality? The answer lies in the Choice to create. If creation cannot occur within Reality, the God of Creation would need to create a place outside of Reality, a place where Reality cannot exist. Non-reality will provide the 'when' and the 'where' God does not exist. In both mythological stories, the Choice to image God was made. In each story the choice to become God not only occurred in the heavens before Time began or in the Garden of Eden in biblical Genesis Account, but with a thought  and then a dream and finally a Choice.

Post #38 "Division-Creation-Image-Non-reality"

The most basic symbol of historical division is a wall. The Hunter and Gatherer Age moved into the Agrarian Age with the appearance of walls. From early recorded history, walls were the visual manifestation of humanity dividing or separating itself into groups; tribes, clans, settlements, and eventually, cities. When a group forms it forms against the rest of society. It stands against the rest of society. It divides or separates from the rest of humanity. We unite to deny and hide the fact that we are innately divisive. We unite for the purpose of power; power for protection against the loss of power and for the opportunity to amass power through combined effort.

What we think of as unity is actually division. Uniting or joining, whether it be through marriage, family, residence, or religion is a breaking apart. It is an action that separates and divides. We try to amass the power of others to add to and enforce our own. We cause division for the sake of gaining power for power is created when segments band together, but uniting is always against someone else. We cause animosity for the sake of the power gained in uniting to come against and defeat another person or group or nation. Nations promote wars to unite under a leadership. We unite to separate from and to gather power to promote individualism, or leadership. Power is amassed in community which then divides down into smaller pieces until power ultimately locates in the individual, for the gods are many but God is One. The function of Creation is Division. Creation is a process of Division. There lies deep within humanity the desire to become God........Reality or Non-reality?









Sunday, December 29, 2013

Post #37 "Division in Creation"

The first factor of division in Creation is Time itself. As previously noted, the first division of creation is Time, Time bringing about the levels/layers of cycles of life and death that make up the history of creation. Division caused creation to come about in the first place as in the coming and going, the breaking down, the life and death, of the basic elements of  pre-creation. But before the breakdown referred to by science as the Big Bang, cosmologists refer to a "singularity", a condensed state of infinite density, infinite temperature, and infinite energy, before space time. From this oneness Division began its work and is noted in the energy of particles in empty space popping in and out of existence. The division of creation continues dividing in Time: light from darkness, matter from water, amoeba-dividing into male and female. Division continues from pre-creation, to creation, to historical divisions, to evolutionary divisions, to cultural divisions, and to all the uncountable divisions known to civilization. Division.......as in Reality or as in Non-reality?

Saturday, December 28, 2013

Post #36 "The Case for Choosing Perfection"

There lies deep within humanity the desire to compete: to be the best to win the prize, to win the blue ribbon , to win the pennant , to win the election, the trophy, the award, the distinction, or the promotion and on and on. This desire to compete, ultimately, is the urge to compete for the prize of Perfection that is the basis for the desire to become God. This innate desire is born of creation and so, as creation, also undergoes the process of division.

Basically, the action of a power seeker is an action of division. The power seeker joins or forms a pack for the purpose of gaining the security and combined power generated by uniting. Having gained this pack security and consequential confidence, the person seeks leadership within, and then, over the pack.With leadership comes power. The power seeker, through the process of division, goes from one, centering in self, to group, returning to centering in self, to one-the one in control. Through division one moves from a single unit without power to membership within a unity, to leader- returning as a single unit with power, in a sense, attaining the perfection of the group. This urge manifests itself in the action of coming together, as in joining, for the purpose of benefiting from collective power. Having been empowered by the collective power of a relationship or a group, the next move is to strive for a position within the group, and then, for a higher position; again striving until the highest position is attained. If this goal of accumulating power within this group fails, the attempt is aborted and a new group is sought.

What appears as unity is actually division. Division is further noted as a group is formed by seeking identity by separating from the whole. The group sets itself apart from the whole and claims unity, ignoring its action as divisive-the sense of a few against the many. Division occur on many levels, all break-offs and break-downs in all levels of Creation. Civilization results from creation's process of division as one group competes for the title of The Perfection, breaks off from humanity as the whole, becomes its own unity, and then raises up its own God as its identity.

Tuesday, December 24, 2013

Post #35 "The Meaning of Choosing"

The flip side of this Choice-the choice to be like God, to become God, is the desire for the removal of God. It is not possible to become that which already exists. To become God, God must be removed. To become God mandates the taking on of God's qualities and attributes. Ownership of God's qualities is the hidden desire for God's non-existence. Of course, God's non-existence is the case for God or non-God, as in Reality to Non-reality. Is God the God of Creation? Is God the God of non-Reality? Possessing God's qualities would make possessing God and God's qualities unnecessary. However, possessing God's qualities would mean consuming God's qualities that God's qualities would transfer from God to another. Possession of God's qualities by Intelligence/by humanity would bring about the transference of humanity into God for, as previously noted, there can only be one God, for God to be God. Having God's qualities and attributes would bring about the transference of consciousness into God; Consciousness consuming God or God's qualities is one and the same. God's qualities, God's persona, can only be owned by God; consequently the desire for God's qualities must involve the removal of God. Is rivalry for God's qualities in any way: thinking, dreaming, desiring, or choosing? Is humanity's striving for Perfection cause for hatred, violence, and war, as in determining who closest resembles God or claims God's name, or claims God's attributes?

What would happen or what has happened, if more than one individual or community, nation, political party, or school of thought, or if religion, or science, desired God's qualities? Isn't this exactly what is happening? Isn't the transfer of God with Consciousness exactly the issue? There can only be one God. Is it religion or science and technology? Is it sports? Is it politics? Is it money? Is it the entertainment world? Is it the pursuit of beauty and all its accoutrements? Is the goal of becoming God ever attained? Is it even attainable? By what process does humanity achieve Perfection? By what process does humanity become God? What do we need to do? What do we do? There lies deep within humanity not only the desire to become God but also an instinctual urge or energy as in freneticism that pushes towards the goal. The urge is to remove everyone else from the playing field, for only one person can attain the standard for perfection. Only one can become the God of Creation. Only one can remain. Only one can claim the prize. This innate urge is best described as competition. Competitiveness is the human attribute or characteristic that is employed to gain Power, the power that is needed to win the status of perfection. Competitiveness is activity, hence is energy, hence, competitiveness is destructive. We compete to prove to ourselves and others that we are coming closer to Perfection, to becoming like God, to prove that we are better than everyone else. We desire, we compete to be The Best.









Monday, December 23, 2013

Post #34 "Consciousness and God"


What does Consciousness know about God, that is, other than what has been described by terms and circumstances of creation? Intelligence can only know what it has created so, consequently, cannot think or comprehend that which is beyond it own created walls....beyond its own existence. Is the God of Creation also confined within these same created walls? Is God the Creator of Creation? Is God created or is God beyond Creation? Would God create God's own image? Would God create non-reality? How does humanity comprehend God? How can humanity know God? Religion says that it comprehends God through Faith, but on what is this Faith based? What of the other source of knowledge-Reason? Can Reason comprehend God? Would Reason want to comprehend God? Is there knowledge beyond Faith and Reason with which to know God? Is it possible that there are sensual sources of knowledge that lie beyond our own five senses?

POSSESSING GOD

The choice to exchange places with God, as in transference, lies in the collective community for the collective community. The choice to exchange places with God also lies within the individual for the individual. The individual choice is the main drive of the process of division that brings about its own destruction as reflected quite obviously in today's world. This Choice has moved through community determination and focus to increasing individual determination and focus. It has become more likely that the desire for transference with God is an individual attempt rather than a community attempt as in early history. God is becoming more sought inside one's self than in one's community. What role has religion and science played in this movement to individualism and thereby destruction as in the movement of creation toward division? The world today is the up-dated presentation of its own accelerated movement to its own destruction by its desire and Choice to become God...to its witness to its own non-reality 




Friday, December 20, 2013

Post #33 "Becoming God"

Does the desire to become God come down to the ability to sustain life? Does the desire to become God come down to the ability to create life? Does the desire to become God come down to having discovered the secret to immortality? Where does desire to become what one is not become the energy that is the power thought to be necessary to achieving perfection?

Certainly power is necessary to achieving the status of Perfection, so power can be seen as necessary to achieving immortality, especially power to create life and overcome death. Once Immortality would be achieved, the words eternal, everlasting, and infinite-all words that we apply to God now apply to the 'created'. The 'created' now become the 'creators' and then, The Creator, as the walls between humanity and God become blurred and the disappear altogether.

Thursday, December 19, 2013

Post #32 "Seeking Purpose"

Of course, the question of what is the purpose of human life has been asked throughout history. Has there ever been a satisfactory answer? Has not religion been looked to for the answer? It is true that many do look to religion for the answer, however it seems that as time moves on, fewer and fewer people accept that religion has the answer. A survey may reveal that what most people would demand of life would be happiness. Actually the goal of happiness seems to be the most easily accepted way of describing the goal of perfection, all leading, through the desire to be perfect. to the desire to become God. Or is it? Is the underlying case for happiness that which conquers what we fear most?

Let's probe deeper. What is the root of our longings? What does this desire to become God come down to? Is not Fear at the basis of our identity? Going back to the mythological stories of the Angelic Battle in Heaven and the Garden of Eden, what was the immediate reaction of the principle characters to what resulted from their Choice to become God? Their plan did not work out according to their desire. The result was far from what they dreamed of, desired, and Chose. But we can see, can we not?....that what was desired, to become God, was an utterly impossible hope. Somehow in the process Intelligence realized, or should have realized, that something went wrong. The very essence of what it means to become God never occurred; in fact the opposite resulted because what was desired is what IS desired-Time is nebulous. Immortality, the most desired and envied attribute of God did not transfer to Intelligence. Strangely, the desire has not been eradicated but seems to have been genetically implanted and entrenched in consciousness. The Choice was and is, the choice of all consciousness. This makes sense, of course, as consciousness is as consciousness in Collective Consciousness. Some religions recognize this as the Original Sin. Surely this primal fear stirred the primal waters of precreation into a churning chaos. Creation occurred as the result of fear, fear of not becoming God, of not becoming Reality, meaning fear of not overcoming mortality but, instead, by entering mortality-the elusive realm of Creation. How could there not be chaos? Was not the idea of god, gods, or God born of this fear? Is this what determines our god/God? Are not our gods that which we worship?.... Worship, as in appeasement, to save us from mortality?














Sunday, December 15, 2013

Post #31 "Choose-Reality or Non-reality"

As noted, Choice is either the attempt to become God, by assuming God's attributes and persona or to accept that humanity is humanity. Or, more accurately, the Choice is between Reality and non-reality. If Creation is image, if Creation is non-reality, is the God of Creation the Creator of Image-the Creator of Nothingness? What does Ultimate Choice come down to? This Choice to replace God has always been that which has driven human intelligence and by which humanity has defined itself. History has been determined by: who one sees as God, or who possesses God, or who imitates God, who names God, or  possesses God's attributes, or acts in God's name. The most connived, manipulated, denied, and hidden secret is the desire and Choice of consciousness, collectively and individually, to replace God, to become God. The actual Choice for the possession of God and God's attributes as such has been disguised and buried under mounds of lies, as such a Choice would have to be, when the Choice is the focal, but denied, attribute of humanity's purpose for itself. The defining  and search for God's qualities is the relentless search for Perfection.

"As I achieve perfection, others will accept me as having a special claim on God's qualities, and eventually, on God." If I/we can be perfect, I/we will be like God." As God is said to be perfect, is the desire to be perfect used to mask the desire  to be God? Is it easier to claim to be attempting perfection than it is to claim to be attempting to become God? Is perfection, then, the identifying factor of having achieved the goal of becoming lke God?

Tuesday, December 10, 2013

Post #30 "Consequences"

In either story-the Heavenly Battle or the Garden of Eden account, the outcome was not that which was dreamt, desired, or chosen to happen. The outcome was far from the Choice to become God-to become Reality....after all, God is One and not a sum of parts and pieces. The outcome could not be what was chosen, the transference did not occur. But, something did occur and that something was image. Image occured. Just image! And due to all the turmoil and chaos of the void of precreation, the image was in no way representative of Reality but was distorted and even inverted. What was thought to be light was darkness and what darkness to image was light in other less distorted dimensions. Is it possible that this has something to do with dark holes and dark substance that is so confusing to scientists? Is it possible that what appears as dark to our created world is actually light in other dimensions less chaotic? Neither Lucifer nor Adam and Eve became Reality. They became image not only of God but also of their selves. They no longer knew who they were. They tried to determine if they had purpose or why they existed in an undetermined existence. It was all confused and mixed up. How could they have ever hoped that their Choice would bring about the desired transference? After all, Reality is Reality. Non-reality is non-reality. Image, then, is failure, failure of the transference of Reality into non-reality or God into non-God. Reality cannot be transfered. Lucifer, Adam and Eve are representative characters. These ancient stories are not about an angel named Lucifer or a man and a maid named Adam and Eve. The characters represent Intelligence and its function to dream, desire, and choose. ........Reality or Non-reality-what is real from what is not Real.

In neither of the two alluded to myths did God in any way suffer loss of Self or loss of Essence. God remained entity while those desiring to become God suffered division especially a severance from the presence of God- from Reality. That which is not Realty can never become Reality. Non-reality's Choice to become Reality, to become Perfection, results in frustration, anger, and jealousy and sets off all that our world knows and classifies as evil. Lucifer becomes identified as Satan and the source of evil. Adam and Eve depart Eden and enter a world of suffering and death. Bibically, Evil becomes mythologized in the murder of Abel by his brother, Cain, the offspring of Adam and Eve. Abel, portrayed as a shepherd represents the nomadic life style versus civilization represented by Cain. The murder is exactly that. The Garden of Adam and Eve, representing wilderness, a naturalness, as in pre-civilization, is killed off and is being killed off by civilization. The green Garden is being killed by a world of development, a world of technlogy, a world of cement. The failure to achieve the ultimate goal causes the frenzied energy that forces the act of Creation.


When the planet is destroyed and no longer able to support life, the greatest desire will be for a garden that no longer exists or can be reclaimed. Such chaos-we will have come the complete circle










Sunday, December 8, 2013

Post #29 "Developement of the Root"

The biblical/mythological stories are expressing the thought that the dream, desire , and choice to become God lead ultimately to death. Death is loss of life and is comparable to the absence/loss of God. The Choice to become God leads to loss which is loss of life, or basically-Death. Choice  creates Death through Creation. Lucifer, Adam and Eve represent Intelligence. As the characters in the stories leave the presence of God, they enter Creation-the Creation they create. They bring about, through their choice-Creation. Intelligence Chooses and through Choice created and creates. Death results. Entering Creation is entering Death for Creation is the process of Division. But who loses? Does God disappear through transference? Yes, God disappears but disappears behind the created walls of Creation. God does not become lost. God does not leave. God does not leave heaven or the garden. The characters depart. Lucifer and his accomplices depart from heaven; Adam and Eve depsrt from the garden. The loss is on the characters who have dreamed, desired, and Chosen to Become God. The loss is the loss of name, place, status, identity, and substance. Lucifer, Adam and Eve no longer exist in Reality. Lucifer is no longer God's right hand. Adam and Eve no longer walk and talk with God. Chaos. Agitation. Frenetic stirring. Heat. Water. Atoms releasing. Atoms smashing-colliding-dividing down. Time pulses. Matter forms and congeals. Shapes appear that are called earth, and planet and universe. Intelligence takes form and is called humanity. Humanity divides down into male and female. At first-a garden. Now-a lost garden. Will our chaotic, agitated, frenetic, planet ever be able to find that garden under all the cement, wars, and destruction?

It is interesting to note that what the ancient myths were presenting as evil is now in our present culture swung to the compete other side of the pendlum and is pursued as ultimate good. What was considered as evil in antiquity is now our ideal that we strive to attain. Where desiring to become God was considered as the root cause of all evil, humanity is now tuned to and striving to become Perfect, to become like God-to become God.

The path unfolds.

Saturday, December 7, 2013

Post #28 "The Root Exposed"

The act of Choice or of Choosing resulting from the desire to 'Become God' activates the void of Pre-creation producing a black or negative type energy that is the source of the creative energy that set the initial wheels of the creation of Creation in motion. This energy has purpose. This energy sets about a process-an action. In the first example of the story of the Battle in the Heavens, the thought presents itself, then the dream and desire, and-the Choice is made. The Choice is for the transference of Intelligence/humanity into God, in other words, humanity Becoming God. However, if humanity becomes God, then, what happens to God? Humanity and God are one? In transference, only one can remain. In order for the transference of humanity into God-God must be removed!Intelligence/humanity cannot Become God if God remains. Hence.....the reason for Creation. The womb of Creation hides the presence of God so the image can dream its dream. The dream cannot be fulfilled until God is removed. But how does one remove God?.....God cannot be removed so walls must be built to block the presence of God. Walls must be built as in the womb of Creation. What is not seen does not exist and image pretends that the transference has taken place. But we all really know.....God is One!

The Choice of Consciousness to become God is energy for many forces are involved with the act of Choosing. Actually, Choosing is the basic energy from which all other energies that result from and precede Creation are derived. Choosing can create positive and negative energy which plays out on the stage of Creation as good and evil. Becoming Perfect, Becoming God is the purpose of the Choice made by Consciousness. The action and resulting drama of the Choice is portrayed in the afore-noted mythological story form as the heavenly battle between 'Good', represented by the Archangel Michael and the 'good' angels and by the 'Bad' as represented by Archangel Lucifer and the evil spirits. The energy of Choice in the heavenly battle ignites the energy that rises from the struggle portrayed in the story. Scientifically, this is the pre-creation energy of empty space. Empty space is potential energy. The void of pre-creation is potential energy.

In the second story that occurs in the Garden of Eden; nothing actually changes. The thought, the dream presents itself of what it would be like to be other than oneself. Desire follows. The process unfolds. And then, again, the Choice is made. Power/energy is appropriated as in the Heavenly Battle account. In this story the energy or action to achieve its purpose is expressed in the eating of an apple. The act of eating the apple is the mythological representation of the act of Becoming God through consumption of the qualities of God. Eating the apple protrays the act of taking on God's persona, in other words the symbolic eating brings about the symbolic transference of humanity into God. The profound insight of these creation myths is that desiring to be like God, desiring to take on God's essence, created what is known as original sin and, consequently, set up the dichotomy of Good-Evil, up-down, high-low, hot-cold, Grace-Sin.






Post #27 "Getting at the Root"

It does make sense that lies and untruths would be essential ingredients to non-reality and, consequently, to Creation. Non-reality, being what it is, would certainly be dreamt by those who would be other than what they are, being that a dream is a dream and Reality is Reality. Who could , in truth, deny this, yet, how could this happen?

What is the root? Let's begin here. Intelligence dreams; not of what it is, but of what it desires to become. There is an ancient biblical/mythological story about a battle in the heavens between the good and the bad angels. The story opens with the archangel, Lucifer, desiring to become God. Interestingly, Archangel Lucifer's desire to become God brings about his banishment from heaven through a battle led by the representation of Good-Archangel Michael. Lucifer, of course at this point becomes the representation of Evil and is. in time. equated with Satan in many cultures. This accounting is, of course, religious in nature but more precisely religious mythology, as it presents the truth of ancient traditions. This theme of desire, to become God, is echoed by another ancient biblical/mythological story that is placed in a garden setting-the Garden of Eden. In this Genesis account, the characters, Adam and Eve, eat forbidden fruit, also as in the previous account, with the desire to become God. As we know, mythology is known to represent the deepest and most profound secrets of  'who we are' and 'what we are about' and so becomes a logical place to look for opening  investigation into the most profound questions that seek the most profound answers, that lie way beyond the rational thinking of our mechanical world of mechanical thoughts by mechanical thinkers. In each story, the transference of God to either Lucifer or Adam fails to come about. We all kow that. What prevents the transference to occur?..... The existence of God! These stories' stance is that it is not possible to become God as long as God exists. ( please keep in mind the 'as long as God exists' for a future post) It is quite simple.... in Reality what is-is and what isn't-isn't. But not in non-reality. Not in Creation.

Again the question; are these stories of the image of Reality or of Reality itself? Do these and other like stories take place in Creation or apart from Creation? Do these stories implicate the desire of the Collective Consciousness....of Intelligence? Would not the Choice of the Collective Consciousness be humanity's Choice...Choice being the function of Consciousness? Would not, then, the function of human intelligence be imagination (the ability to image) and the ability to Choose?

Friday, December 6, 2013

Post #26 "The Questions Remain"

The questions remain as always, just becoming less tangible, hidden further and further beneath the layers of silt and sand that formed the vast tels of Israel/Palestine-the Land of many Stories and Tales. The questions remain as always, just hidden further and further behind the walls, the facades, the layers of lies told, lies lived, and lies passed on through generation after generation. Do we want to know Truth or do we want to convince ourselves that we are becoming what we have created ourselves to be? Are we what we are or are we in the process of becoming what we hope, dream, and Choose to become? Are we in the process of becoming ourselves or are we in the process of destroying ourselves? Is the planet in the process of becoming or is the planet in the process of being destroyed? Are we succeeding in fulfilling our dreams or are our dreams destroying us? Is it possible that the fulfillment of our dreams is exactly that which brings about our destruction and the destruction of Creation? Is Intellect capable of completely destroying all of Creation? It seems to follow that if Intellect is capable of dreaming Creation into existence as non-reality, Intelligence is also capable of destroying itself out of existence.

What does Intellect Choose? What is the dream, the hope, and then, the Choice?.......................
There lies deep within humanity the desire to become God.

Thursday, December 5, 2013

Post #25 "Primal Choice"

Before all else. Before anything began; there was Choice. Intelligence Chose, Chooses, and will Choose. This primal Choice was, is, and will be. The Choice-Reality or Non-Reality. Being or not Being. Reality or Creation.  Actually there is no such thing as 'before' or 'began', or 'past', 'present', or 'future'; not in Reality-only in Creation . Only in the image of Reality. Reality IS. Creation begins and ends-Creation isn't-Creation is image. Image isn't. Reality is Entity, consequently Reality has no parts. Creation, as image, is division and consequently divides into parts and pieces of itself.

Intelligence Chooses. We Choose; individually and collectively. There is no study course or workshop or conference one can attend to prepare for Choosing. There are no meetings to attend, no degrees are offered, no churches, laboratories, arenas, or shopping malls are necessary. Truth lies buried deep within each of us, beneath the layers and levels of our history on this planet. Truth is implanted deep in human consciousness with a very fading and distorted memory of an awareness of Reality beyond the walls of Creation.

Truth cannot be seen from the surface or the top layers of existence at which most people live their lives but becomes more and more evident when the layers are removed, city by city, generation by generation, civilization by civilization, and lie by lie. It is only at bedrock that one can begin to glimpse any semblance of Truth at all. It is only at bedrock that the image is the least distorted and can be recognized for what it is.

At bedrock the Choice was and is made. At bedrock the desire grew into the Choice to build Creation in the void of nothingness, in the turbulence of non-reality. Here the Choice was and is made by the Collective Intelligence and by individual Intelligence. Comparatively, bedrock can be paralleled to the void of pre-creation